HyperNews Conversations

This page is an attempt to recreate the HyperNews conversations which we had about virtual communities. We are providing this current page in order to preserve these conversations. However, the links and feel of the HyperNews environment will not be represented. This page merely provides the content of our discussions in case the original HyperNews link goes down. The discussions on readings are included in the readings section of the main page.

Firefly conversation

Continued class discussion re:Firefly web site

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 21:46:09 GMT
From: cpbowers@sils.umich.edu (Cherie Bowers)

Just a few thoughts following along with our Impact Class discussion on Firefly's musical web site. Class members were bringing up interesting issues, in particular, what makes up our own sense of musical community? I would tend to disregard any musical referrals from those who are not close friends "in real life." First of all, music is expensive. I will admit there was a time in my life when I would have paid a proportionally larger percentage of my disposable income on Bruce Springsteen and Peter Gabriel. But, now that I am past my 20s, I have got to ask the question: "Do people who really enjoy Firefly have any friends -- like friends they can go to concerts with?" There is something about online recommendations that makes me think this would be a great resource for lonely teenagers, but who else would use this method of virtual companionship?

Firefly comments

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Continued class discussion re:Firefly web site (Cherie Bowers)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:52:16 GMT
From: eclasson@sils.umich.edu (Emily Classon)

I agree with Cherie's points about the experience of using Firefly. I would consider music recommendations from friends who know me and my personal tastes. These people would know more about me and would not assume that if I like one band, that I would like all the others representative of that type of music. Musical tastes are based on experiences and memories. People cannot tell me that I would like a particular band if they do not know why I listen to music or what I try to get out of the experience. Therefore, I do not feel that Firefly would assist me in making choices about my musical tastes. I would, however, listen to the suggestions of on-line friends from a virtual community, like the Firefly chat rooms, if I have had a chance to get to know them. By learning more about me by discussing various things, people would gain a better insight about my musical tastes.

More Firefly comments

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Continued class discussion re:Firefly web site (Cherie Bowers)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:50:59 GMT
From: alscopp@sils.umich.edu (Alaina Scopp)

Although it was interesting to try out, I didn't really get a great sense of satisfaction after using Firefly. Part of this probably has to do with the fact that it seemed to take a really long time for my responses to be saved (this might have been because I was on during busy times, however). Nontheless, with the time that it took me to enter new artists, I might as well have gone to a music store to listen to selected CDs there. Probably the most interesting aspect of Firefly was that I could find out which other Firefly members liked the same artists as me. I was so happy to see some other Willy Porter fans out there!

Willy Porter?

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Continued class discussion re:Firefly web site (Cherie Bowers)
Re: More Firefly comments (Alaina Scopp)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:47:44 GMT
From: cpbowers@sils.umich.edu (Cherie Bowers)

Alaina, could the Twizzlers be going to your brain? Please enlightening those of us who are out of loop on this Willy Porter gig.

Willy Porter - my favorite hometown musician

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Continued class discussion re:Firefly web site (Cherie Bowers)
Re: More Firefly comments (Alaina Scopp)
Re: Willy Porter? (Cherie Bowers)
Keywords: Awesome
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:05:38 GMT
From: alscopp@umich.edu (Alaina Scopp)

Oops! I'm sorry - I should know better than to throw an as-yet non-household name out there. Willy Porter is my favorite musician...and he's from Milwaukee (my favorite place). I've seen him and his band a few times, including an awesome Thanksgiving night jam back in 1994. If you want more info, there's a link from my home page.

Moving the website

Moving the web site

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 16:14:26 GMT
From: cpbowers@sils.umich.edu (Cherie Bowers)

Let's start a thread about how moving the page was for us. First of all, thank you, Paul and Emily, for volunteering to be webmaster and webmistress for our project. Also, Alaina, you have done a nice job cleaning up the links. Looks great. How much effort was it to figure this all out?

HyperNews move

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Moving the web site (Cherie Bowers)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 23:06:13 GMT
From: eclasson@sils.umich.edu (Emily Classon)

This migration has been somewhat problematic. Fortunately, we seem to have figured most of it out. One thing I am wondering about is what will happen to the HyperNews discussions. When I moved the generic HyperNews discussion page (the one we created and submitted) out of my IFS space, it affected the HyperNews link. I have put this page back into my IFS and see that the problem is solved. However, what will happen in the future? Is there any way to move a page which is maintained by someone else? If we move our original page, which HyperNews updates, then it is not found. Should we try to recreate the conversations from HyperNews into new pages in the group page? That way we could at least make sure that our conversations are not totally lost.

Moving

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Moving the web site (Cherie Bowers)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:27:28 GMT
From: unknown (Alaina Scopp)

Sorry it took me so long to respond. It really didn't take that long to move everything over...it was just a matter of figuring out how to do it. However, I can see how it would be a big pain in the neck to do something like this on a larger scale, where there are lots of links within links.

Thoughts on HyperNews

Thoughts on HyperNews

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 23:18:32 GMT
From: eclasson@sils.umich.edu (Emily Classon)

I seem to have mixed feelings about using HyperNews. At first I liked this medium because it allowed us to discuss various topics at a distance. I find it useful if I remember an idea after a meeting and want to contribute it. Also, HyperNews provides us with a way to record our discussions.

However, I do have some problems with HyperNews. For example, this medium does not accurately replace traditional conversations. Perhaps it could be used as a supplement (much like we say virtual communities are supplements to traditional communities). When we discuss readings separately, we can spend longer composing exactly what we want to say. However, by not physically discussing topics, people are not given the chance to respond immediately. Although new HyperNews threads can be written, they are not simultaneous. All of the group members do not hear the responses at the same time. Instead, we all have to actively read the new items and decide whether or not to respond to them.

Also, I find that reading and contributing to older threads is a little difficult because I am not as familiar with the topic at the time. Simultaneous meetings allow for understanding and reaction. If I do not understand something, I can get an immediate response in a group meeting. True, I can send a message here, but there is no guarantee that I will receive a response.

Another issue concerns the fact that not all group members might have comments to add about a particular reading or topic. In a group meeting, we usually have input from every member. Are these comments or responses encouraged in a physical environment? Or are we just more comfortable speaking with each other?

HyperNews

Base: Virtual Communities Discussion
Re: Thoughts on HyperNews (Emily Classon)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:50:56 GMT
From: unknown (Alaina Scopp)

Like Emily, I have mixed feelings about HyperNews. It has been nice being able to communicate with the group about specific readings and topics with HyperNews, but we have done somewhat of the same thing in our group e-mail list (except that we didn't talk about the readings via e-mail).

I liked the in-person group meetings since there was a definite time period set aside for them. Since you can post to HyperNews at any time, you never know what you are missing if you don't look at it for a day or two.

I also liked the group meetings because there seemed to be more of a natural interchange back and forth. You can more easily see people's reactions and clarify something that was said sooner than with HyperNews. Of course, HyperNews lets you think about your answers before actually posting them, which can be a bonus.


This document was created and is maintained by the Virtual Communities group in Howard Besser's ILS 604 class (Winter 1996).